tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post364744684477876839..comments2023-05-11T00:44:36.710-07:00Comments on Bordering on Lunacy: How Russia Defeated Western JournalismEuan MacDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12550600911726562487noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-21595366624721201902014-09-25T08:59:59.952-07:002014-09-25T08:59:59.952-07:00Agree with youAgree with youHmarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01983253158331918253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-16217783796610342772014-09-13T15:33:03.151-07:002014-09-13T15:33:03.151-07:00.... who started the w ole conflict? And don't....... who started the w ole conflict? And don't you remember what offer the rebels got from Kiev before it starteis anti terrorist operation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13918122913024503465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-26006102074712361372014-09-13T15:28:33.045-07:002014-09-13T15:28:33.045-07:00Ask the people of former communist Soviet satellit...Ask the people of former communist Soviet satellite states in Central and Eastern Europe what the difference is between US/West hegemony and Russian oppression... <br /><br />But I get what you mean with your comment: there is no such thing as real objectivity. Of course I try to put nuances to the whole situation but at some point is enough and clear who is just plainly 'fooling' everybody. Nowadays no sain persons tries to 'understand' or 'see' Germany's world view in 39-45...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13918122913024503465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-83768604825301956032014-09-11T07:26:00.428-07:002014-09-11T07:26:00.428-07:00Regards your last paragraph, here is very good art...Regards your last paragraph, here is very good article from someone who actually bothered to go east and talk wih locals, not just stayed in Kiev and reported whatever his/hers local facebook friends from similar socioeconomic background told them. <br /><br />http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all<br /><br />The author not only confirms the separatist movement is grassroot but also admits how the radical right/neonacist movement played a significant part in Maidan and how these people now form the base and most radical part of the Ukrainan force.<br /><br />It also needs to be finally said, those special Russian forces which were probably really deployed in Ukraina in late August helped to push the army line back from huge cities and made the Kiev government (or atleast some more reasonable members including the president) stop the so called anti-terrorist operation before it could turn into a seriously bloody event. So basically, Mr. Putin fulfilled his word and protected the russian speaking east people from slaughtering. If this was some Syria city like Holms and the special forces were from US you would be applauding Mr. Obama for finally doing what should be done times ago. <br />twscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704127165269039676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-12073125378121347552014-09-11T03:18:13.245-07:002014-09-11T03:18:13.245-07:00"Western journalists are risk-averse when it ..."Western journalists are risk-averse when it comes to reporting - they know that while each one of them is desperate to get the story FIRST, it must also be CORRECT."<br />Is this supposed to be a serious statement of fact?Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728309111541735348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-72106560236144133642014-09-11T01:21:46.571-07:002014-09-11T01:21:46.571-07:00Which Danish front pages? Please elaborate.Which Danish front pages? Please elaborate.Stuvenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18183408299662997098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-2582163252721315392014-09-09T18:54:15.802-07:002014-09-09T18:54:15.802-07:00I read some more posts of your blog here and it be...I read some more posts of your blog here and it becomes painfully obvious what your agenda is. <br /><br />It's no more noble than the russian's. As far back as I read in this blog, it's about how "we" can "maneuver" against the russians and win. And what do we win? We win Ukraine for the idea of "Europe", or more correctly, Ukraine for the liberal hegemony of the U.S, parts of the EU and the rest of "the west". <br /><br />You write things like "We just have to convince them to look to the future, to Europe". You don't imagine the russians are thinking the exact same thing but replace the word Europe for Russia and possibly future for "good ol' times"? <br /><br />So it becomes quite hard to see you as some sort of neutral part reporting "the truth" in this since you'e a part of the war. You're advicing your side on how to expand east and block the russians expansion west.<br /><br />How is that any different from what the russians are doing?Summerthiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820263589043595576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-57461665371783312982014-09-09T18:06:29.321-07:002014-09-09T18:06:29.321-07:00Euan,
1. It's funny. In my experience from a ...Euan,<br /><br />1. It's funny. In my experience from a west european nation, "my" media lies all the time. They push their own agenda which is surprisingly similar to the government agenda. All I can guess is that it has to do with the owner structures and that government and big business are in bed together as usual. But the trust I put in them is about the same as I have for RT but for different subjects. Both lie and manipulate when it suits their purpose. But I'm always happy to discover the odd times when they won't. <br /><br />2. So risk averse that western journalists just won't risk a mistake? What you say sounds good. it's just that it goes against my entire experience. They make "mistakes" all the time. The mistakes they make has a lot to do with wanting to convince the public that reality looks like their world view and their opinions and if they have to twist it to fit, they will. <br /><br />3. The western journalists that you claim are without ethics at RT... it's quite funny because RT allows subjects that would never be allowed in much of western media (perhaps with the exception of a few places in the U.S). Things that goes against the dominating liberal agenda are most often off limits. So what is most free becomes a matter of perspective and topic. If the topic is against Russia then yes, RT might not be credible. But RT is more credible when it comes to taking up politically incorrect subjects that most other journalists would try to ignore because it doesn't fit their world view in the west. <br /><br />Latest news from Sweden is that even our most famous science program on state television tried to convince us not to vote for the nationalists. Then you know it has gotten far... That's the media we are to trust? I don't think so.Summerthiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820263589043595576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-54493668041505119272014-09-09T10:39:46.170-07:002014-09-09T10:39:46.170-07:00hear, hear! well said Jan Waanders. western journ...hear, hear! well said Jan Waanders. western journalists, if you can call them that anymore, have retreated behind the "objective to a fault" excuse. so much un critical critical thinking going on. they have become nothing more than megaphones for governments as well as scandal chasers. either fear of losing their posh invites and access, or just plain lazy. there are some good ones, just few and far between. it's getting so hard to get accuracy in reporting.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02508885804532096260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-90268595454716354002014-09-09T09:45:46.066-07:002014-09-09T09:45:46.066-07:00You definitely make some good points. However, I t...You definitely make some good points. However, I think one thing you did not mention is that western journalists (just like the western politicians), were o so afraid to be accused of being NOT IMPARTIAL. Even when it was very clear (and there was plenty of evidence from journalists on the ground, witnesses and victims) that there were Russian mercenaries torturing and killing Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine, most western media kept on talking about 'separatists' and 'rebels'. Journalists could have called an ace an ace. Probably they were not allowed to call terrorists 'terrorists' because of management decisions, but still .... Also I think that many western media failed to use the many, many Ukrainian resources available in various media, and preferred to publish press releases by the Russian government .......Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15863264519591020420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-39568424530411735082014-09-09T06:28:29.286-07:002014-09-09T06:28:29.286-07:00Thank you for your wise words
IT REMINDS ME OF ST...Thank you for your wise words<br /><br />IT REMINDS ME OF STALIN I<br /><br />the dead speak <br />to us, memorials <br />for our dead <br /><br /><br />IT REMINDS ME OF STALIN II <br /><br />first Putin<br />takes Georgia,<br />then he takes Ukraine<br /><br /><br />IT REMINDS ME OF STALIN III <br /><br />Danish frontpages <br />useful idiots <br />turning their backs onBjarnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17333964639258005137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-66497652621224231682014-09-09T05:52:52.750-07:002014-09-09T05:52:52.750-07:00Facts Euan..... you don't have information tha...Facts Euan..... you don't have information that can't be discredited? Then they are not facts. It is as simple as that. We don't care what you "believe" we just want you to report exactly what you see. Exactly who it is that told you what. Not social media and anonymous sources. When it comes to WAR and DEATH you better be damn sure you have the truth!<br /><br />You don't like the public or the other countries involved questioning your facts and giving another side of the story? Too Bad! There is more than one perspective and in this day of broad global media those different sides of the stories will come out. It's a good thing and healthy that our pre-conceived ideas are being challenged. Step up your journalistic skill or step off!<br /><br />Have you found Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction yet?Flower Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03299059967493688333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-49784516904166376862014-09-09T00:26:24.282-07:002014-09-09T00:26:24.282-07:00And everybody by extension LOLOLOOLOLLOLOL.And everybody by extension LOLOLOOLOLLOLOL.iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-82161308513005117812014-09-09T00:25:35.638-07:002014-09-09T00:25:35.638-07:00Yeah Miki, There was not an option on the ballot t...Yeah Miki, There was not an option on the ballot to stay in Ukraine. Google it. iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-54421686263679069182014-09-09T00:23:58.492-07:002014-09-09T00:23:58.492-07:00Holes consistent with shrapnel, from a Buc warhead...Holes consistent with shrapnel, from a Buc warhead. How many conspiracy theories did the FSB cook up to cover it up?iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-90932013089519568422014-09-08T23:57:04.414-07:002014-09-08T23:57:04.414-07:00Yeah, Miki, you should see those "democratic ...Yeah, Miki, you should see those "democratic elections of Yanukovich" with payed thugs, and thousands of disappeared ballots.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165639134209187604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-59584278430704135772014-09-08T21:56:03.531-07:002014-09-08T21:56:03.531-07:00lol - Western Journalism died the day Fox News (an...lol - Western Journalism died the day Fox News (and everyone else by extension) won the right to lie to it's audience at the appellate court level back in 2003, see Fox News v. Jane Akre.abehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918315990934368502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-4133206685191750142014-09-08T18:25:08.208-07:002014-09-08T18:25:08.208-07:00thou shall not kill..anything...thou shall not kill..anything...Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684510415727685076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-11805242682218462432014-09-08T17:41:49.251-07:002014-09-08T17:41:49.251-07:00You can try to "fight" the Putinist shil...You can try to "fight" the Putinist shills that are paid handsomely btw, by discrediting them but they come to blog sites like this with fake profiles and many accounts that makes it seem that you are outnumbered 100 to 1.iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-26834139058771199742014-09-08T17:20:58.730-07:002014-09-08T17:20:58.730-07:00Malayan government announced that they have good e...Malayan government announced that they have good evidence and will soon disclose more that airplane was shot down by a surface to air missile Bohdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07379748613215724120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-80741262508199968382014-09-08T17:19:52.782-07:002014-09-08T17:19:52.782-07:00Tristan has it Right. Funny Mr. "Fofanov"...Tristan has it Right. Funny Mr. "Fofanov" how people in your circles friends all become Russian or from the Baltic states as you look into friends of friends. Putinist troll that you are. iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-41654763962769732272014-09-08T17:00:01.856-07:002014-09-08T17:00:01.856-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-68411358902813058382014-09-08T16:55:02.000-07:002014-09-08T16:55:02.000-07:00Good words. Most think that if is on TV it has to ...Good words. Most think that if is on TV it has to be true. I add that to his piece has it has help RT with their spin tactics.iiaagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10602240312899593310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-4521366778562863902014-09-08T16:21:06.502-07:002014-09-08T16:21:06.502-07:00Thanks for this article. There is an answer to the...Thanks for this article. There is an answer to the Russian propaganda machine; it has to be found. But like all democratic etc. regimes, they work slowly but I believe that we will triumph in the end over propaganda, misinformation, and the underlying disregard for individual human dignity and intelligence.Jason_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13081983776148674074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7896583980957114577.post-65744408982524705642014-09-08T15:17:02.236-07:002014-09-08T15:17:02.236-07:00What Mat said, with Unknown's disclaimer. Havi...What Mat said, with Unknown's disclaimer. Having said that...<br /><br />"By extension, it is assumed, wrongly, by the people who live under autocratic regimes, that the Western media serve exactly the same role."<br /><br />Actually they generally do. It has not escaped notice that much of the Western media is a Party Press, and this recognition is spoken more and more openly. <br /><br />MH17 is NOT an example I'd cite for this, but you'd have to be blind and deaf not to notice it, especially when award-winning journalists like Sheryl Attkisson are quitting over it, and saying that it affects BOTH corporate and political coverage (the former generally, the latter in very slanted fashion). Or when Pew surveys show a level of diversity in the field that approaches the governments of 1-party states. <br /><br />Trust level surveys show that the public is noticing. The follow-on consequences are becoming obvious, as outside entities make exploitation of this weakness the core of their plans. Expect more of that. And the Western Media have done it to themselves.<br /><br />The way out is individual - the hard-won credibility of individual journalists. Unfortunately, that won't solve the macro problem in the near term. All you can do is start building up, out of the ruins, and trust that it will become something in time.Joe Katzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13917754785464014034noreply@blogger.com